Entschuldigung für den langweiligen Neubaugarten! Ich habe zwei Apfelbäume online bestellt (Braeburn und Cox’s Orange Pippin). Ich habe auch einen Tayberry -Busch und eine Pyrokanyha bestellt und einen mysteriösen Strauch, den ich spontan in B & Q gekauft habe.
Ich denke darüber nach, die Bäume nach links zu legen, vielleicht etwa 150 cm von den Zäunen in der Ecke und die andere rechts davon. Wie weit auseinander müssen sie sein und wie weit vom Zaun entfernt?
Der Baum in der Mitte ist ein tibetischer Kirschbaum, den wir vor ein paar Wochen gepflanzt haben (mein Kollege hat mich überredet, mich einfach darauf zu machen und eine Erklärung in der Mitte abzugeben!). Gespräch mit demselben Kollegen gestern, wie nahe die Bäume auf dem Rücken liegen sollten (ob ich Platz für eine Hecke verlassen möchte), hat mich wirklich verwirrt. Es wäre schön, auf der Rückseite ein weiteres Screening zu haben, da es derzeit leicht in den Garten vom Weg zu sehen ist. Gibt es leichtere Dinge, mit denen ich senken könnte, aber eine Privet -Hecke? Ich denke, ich mag die Idee einer soliden Hecke, könnte ich ein paar verschiedene Büsche haben?
Der Garten ist nach Westen ausgerichtet. Das Gras auf halbem Weg links wächst schneller als der Rest, nicht sicher, ob das etwas über die Bodenqualität bedeutet oder ob es nur die richtige Mischung aus Sonne und Schatten bekommt? Chat GPT sagt, der Boden in dieser Postleitzahl ist Ton, ich bin ziemlich ahnungslos.
Wir planen, die Terrasse auf den Rand der Speicherbox -Sache auszudehnen. Hoffentlich schaffe ich es, Bilder des Gartens, des Mystery -Strauchs, des Plans, den ich ursprünglich skizzierte, und den gekritzelten Plan meines Kollegen mit einem Teich und einer Reihe von Sträuchern zu binden.
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All of say as a novice gardener of 1 year is take your time. Gardening is not a 1month project.
I understand about the privacy but, just got rid of our 4m Leylandii (don’t get leylandii!!!) hedge and now need to replace the fence before I start planning my border… I was thinking of having low fence but arching trellis and plant loads of clematis and roses and honeysuckle of mixed evergreen and deciduous varieties and different flowering seasons and hoping that would create a good enough privacy screen, rather than trees that just suck up moisture and makes it unable to grow stuff underneath.
Apple trees are a nice idea. Nice blossom in spring and if course fruit in late summer (though not for a couple of years). How far apart depends. Fruit trees come on different types of root stock, and this determines how big they will grow and therefore how far apart they should be. Hopefully the place you buy them from should explain this to you.
A screen of berry-bearing Shrubs like Cotoneaster and Pyracantha
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Don’t plant right by the hedge, make a small orchard in the middle instead, or three focal points. Anything against the hedge will be harder to maintain, could annoy your neighbours etc
I would recommend letting the grass grow up around the trees. It looks lovely and protects the base of the tree from the strimmer.
Maybe instead of a hedge look at climbing plants. A clematis could be trained along wire installed on the fence and look full in a few years.
please google: Hedgehog highway. Put the apple tree in the open where you will see the blossom and the birds eating the windfall in autumn
This is such a lovely blank canvas!
I think the fence and treeline beyond it give a good sense of screening so personally I wouldn’t feel the need for a hedge, although they are fantastic cover for wildlife and would soften the look of it. There are lots of places online where you can order native hedging plants that will fill in quickly and be great for birds and pollinators. You could also go for climbers on the fence like rambling roses, honeysuckles, clematis etc to tick some of the same boxes as a hedge without taking up so much space. You can also create log piles, insect hotels and set up bird feeders and drinkers.
Use the RHS website for planting and spacing guidance, it’s a great resource. I would resist the urge to put all your trees right up near the fence, you will want to feel like you’re in the planting rather than in a big empty space.
Maybe wander around your garden, imagine desire lines of where you would be walking to and from. Are you going to have a greenhouse or shed? Compost area? Seating? Pond? Once you have any hard landscaping features in position then you will know where those trees would make most sense.
We have a long narrow NE facing garden in a built up area, so we don’t get much sun but the garden is full of small trees and mature shrubs with a path winding through it. It feels like a little woodland in the middle of town. Somehow we’ve squeezed in a greenhouse, pond, shed, seating area and even chickens at the end, as well as raised beds and a fruit bushes.
Others will say don’t rush. I say go for it, who knows how many seasons we all have in us. Really think through the positions of what you’ve already got so they can establish well, and then start thinking about what else you’d like to do in your garden.
This is so exciting!
The apple tree canopies will need space, I cant see room for two on the left of the cherry tree.
The three trees could of been planted in a triangle not sure possible now as the cherry tree isn’t central.
did ben enjoy his last week
Ooooh, what a tempting question.
Brilliant that you’re planting trees. You know the confucion saying, of course.
It’s a personal thing. One of the best things ever did when we moved in 14 years ago was to rip out all the useless overgrown miniature conifers and plant fruit trees all round the boundary.
I chose mainly small or medium rootstock, and I chose not to espalier them, because I was really lucky to have space. Most folk would be tempted or need to pin them back against the fence. I suppose I’ve got a sort of overgrown hedge (that needs the occasional light prune, but no boring/tricky clipping!).
That leaves you loads of space to do other things as well. Do make sure your new trees are well watered the first two years, at least, until the roots really get going. Three years even better. After that, they’ll weather most that the UK can throw at them.
Got to go now, I’ve got more apples to pick and give away before the winds at the weekend.
Have fun choosing them!
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If it were mine, I would plant a mixed native hedge (hawthorn, beech, hazel, holly etc). Firstly, they’re best for birds and other wildlife, creating and supporting ecosystems. but also because you are fortunate to have some mature mixed woodland in view. A mixed hedge would cover the fence and the trees behind would blend in with it, making those trees look like part of your garden. It’s a stunning effect.
This would only be enhanced by the fruit trees you plan to grow in your garden. Plant them towards the middle, not the edges, and look at options for underplanting with woodland flowers or spring bulbs.
A hedge would somewhat baffle any noise and pollution from the road on the other side of your fence (not much, but a little).
There are websites selling bare root native hedge mixes right now. It’s the cheapest and best way to start a healthy hedge.
Definitely cut some 5-6 inch square holes in the bottom of your fence for hedgehog highway access, and consider asking your neighbour to do the same. It’s very important.
Consider putting in a wildlife pond at some stage.
To me, that sounds like a heavenly woodland orchard, full of life and beauty peace and delicious fruit.
For a new build, it’s actually a decent sized garden, smallish by general standards but ok for a new build, but you do seem perhaps to be trying to squeeze in a bit too much?
Two apple trees, along with a cherry tree, berry bushes, hedges etc seems quite a lot, especially if you’re extending the patio area too.
Do you know what you want to actually use the garden for? Do you have kids, plan to have kids, because if you do then filling the garden with trees etc is very nice to look at but not so good for a game of football?
Also, listen to the people who say don’t plant your trees close to the fence, because it can be a real pain having to sort out your neighbours side. A lot of disputes start with branches etc hanging over or falling into other people’s gardens.
Apple trees, as I know from experience (!), can be a bit of a pain when the fruit starts to drop and you’re left with very messy, soggy apples to pick up and dispose of.
Personally, I wouldn’t be trying to do everything at once. Trees, as opposed to small shrubs etc, are a lifetime plant and I really wouldn’t advise rushing into buying/planting them. Give the garden, and yourself, some time and then decide what you want to do. It doesn’t all need to be done at once.
Have you considered training dwarf trees along the fences? You could have a full on orchard it you used all sides x
Have step over espalier apple trees. They stay small and are very manageable.
Personally I’d work on that apple trees get bigger so I wouldn’t put them in the middle or right on the edge. For me just in a bit so your hedge would still run behind and creating a feature corner. Hedges are great but you would need to cut certain hedges regularly ( on both sides! ) Have a long think about the possible issues in the future but everyone wants a bit of privacy in the garden even if it is never going to happen! 🌲🌳
I’m a big fan of slapping apple trees right in the middle of a patch of lawn.
They’re not very dense trees, so they won’t make the garden appear smaller. However, they provide pleasant dappled shade and you want easy access to the apples.
We have a small group of about 5 apple and plum trees that we refer to as “the orchard”. There’s a small clearing in the middle (in so much as you can have a clearing amongst just 5 trees) where we put a table and chairs in the summer and it’s the perfect place to eat even when the sun would otherwise be unbearable.
Some trees work well in the borders, but fruit trees and particularly apple trees need to be well inside the garden for maximum enjoyment.
You can have a hedge if you want one. But if you do, at some point you’ll think, ‘Time to do the bloody hedging again.’ Save installing a hedge for when you want to screen off a less attractive view, which, lucky for you, you don’t seem to have. 🙂 Plant small thing as is if the were full sized or oversized. Are you going to move a ladder all the way around a full healthy apple? That’s a lot of room. I myself want lots of diversity, plant lots of interesting native stuff.
Personally I would go for borrowed landscape idea. Given the trees in the background I would try to make the fruit trees to complement the backdrop of the trees behind the fence. Personally rather than planting uninterrupted fence I would scatter both fruit trees and shrubs along that fence so it’s not such a solid structure. I would then underplant it with herbaceous perennials. The border could be pretty wide given decent size of the garden.
In terms of planting more centrally it kind of depends on your lifestyle and need for grass. If you have young children then I think patches of grass are great for playing, if not I think having some greenery more centrally can look amazing.
If you looking for garden design clues garden rescue can be quite useful show to watch. A lot of the gardens are also very beginner friendly.
For your apple trees, give them at least 3–4m apart and 1.5–2m off the fence so they’ve got airflow and light, and won’t crowd each other as they mature. Instead of a dense hedge, you could do a mixed screen with flowering shrubs (e.g. buddleia, viburnum, or hazel) and berry bushes like your tayberry for a softer, more varied backdrop that still adds privacy. I usually use [Gardenly](https://gardenly.app/) to visualize my ideas. Maybe you could give that a try?
Plant espalier apples along the fence.
You need to give them plenty of room away from the fence. I would put them towards the bottom of the garden.